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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 14, 2024 18:55:20 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones.
Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season?
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Post by allnygin on Mar 14, 2024 18:58:14 GMT -5
I am not a Daniel Jones believer, but I'd rather him starting than lock. The only way this happens is if the giants are 100% committed to kicking jones to the curb after next season which I'm almost sure they are and they can't get a QB in the draft or another option and they don't want to risk having to pay his injury clause which would totally screw over their cap for that season.. which would then defeat the purpose of getting out of his contract in a way i think.. i'm not an expert in the contract thing, but that's how i interpret it
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 14, 2024 19:00:32 GMT -5
The Giants didn't even say anything here, some other teams GM said something that he (maybe) thinks the Giants said to his former player...according to some other guy on twitter.
Long story short if they are done with Jones they should draft a QB if they like one. If not then move on with Lock. Personally I think signing Lock has more to do with A) them not being 100% sure Jones can start the year and B) being concerned about Jones' injuries.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 14, 2024 19:03:38 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones. Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season? The board had spoken. Don't believe anything you read or see just trust the posters word they know exactly what Joe Schoen is doing with thier neuralink connection to him. You saw nothing posted. DJ is a great QB and there is no buyers remorse. There is no war in Ba sing Se.
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Post by jimmieray on Mar 14, 2024 19:16:53 GMT -5
The Giants didn't even say anything here, some other teams GM said something that he (maybe) thinks the Giants said to his former player...according to some other guy on twitter. Long story short if they are done with Jones they should draft a QB if they like one. If not then move on with Lock. Personally I think signing Lock has more to do with A) them not being 100% sure Jones can start the year and B) being concerned about Jones' injuries. If Lock was a FA, why would the Giants need to convince the Seahawks of anything - and create the notion that he's more valuable than they think? Your examples do make more sense, than any promises that would not require to be kept.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 14, 2024 19:41:37 GMT -5
The Giants didn't even say anything here, some other teams GM said something that he (maybe) thinks the Giants said to his former player...according to some other guy on twitter. Long story short if they are done with Jones they should draft a QB if they like one. If not then move on with Lock. Personally I think signing Lock has more to do with A) them not being 100% sure Jones can start the year and B) being concerned about Jones' injuries. And C, Jones isn't good anyways. Lock will unfortunately compete with DJ for the QB1 role, but it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. He is another QB2... And he is no Baker Mayfield. Last year we should have signed Baker.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 14, 2024 19:49:00 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones. Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season? I think Jones will have to work to be the starter Lock has a strong arm also has his own issues with Mechanics. That said he he can beat DJ Lock has improved while sitting watching and learning.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 14, 2024 19:50:55 GMT -5
The Giants didn't even say anything here, some other teams GM said something that he (maybe) thinks the Giants said to his former player...according to some other guy on twitter. Long story short if they are done with Jones they should draft a QB if they like one. If not then move on with Lock. Personally I think signing Lock has more to do with A) them not being 100% sure Jones can start the year and B) being concerned about Jones' injuries. And C, Jones isn't good anyways. Lock will unfortunately compete with DJ for the QB1 role, but it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. He is another QB2... And he is no Baker Mayfield. Last year we should have signed Baker. Long story short. Schoen might have more time but Daboll is gone if Jones isn't good and Lock fails as well. Too big a risk.
I don't think signing Lock has anything to do with Jones' skills. He seems like way too big of a risk to bet on to replace a QB you don't believe in. If I were Schoen and didn't believe in Jones I would have made a play for a more established vet and would be doing what I can to trade up and get the QB I love (assuming one exists). Even if Jones was Patrick Mahommes skill wise I think bringing in Lock would make sense.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 14, 2024 19:51:55 GMT -5
I think Jones will have to work to be the starter Lock has a strong arm also has his own issues with Mechanics. That said he he can beat DJ Lock has improved while sitting watching and learning. Unless Jones is injured there is almost zero chance Lock beats him out. This is coming from a Lock fan btw.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 14, 2024 19:57:07 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones. Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season? Could be both.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 14, 2024 20:00:38 GMT -5
And C, Jones isn't good anyways. Lock will unfortunately compete with DJ for the QB1 role, but it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. He is another QB2... And he is no Baker Mayfield. Last year we should have signed Baker. Long story short. Schoen might have more time but Daboll is gone if Jones isn't good and Lock fails as well. Too big a risk.
I don't think signing Lock has anything to do with Jones' skills. He seems like way too big of a risk to bet on to replace a QB you don't believe in. If I were Schoen and didn't believe in Jones I would have made a play for a more established vet and would be doing what I can to trade up and get the QB I love (assuming one exists). Even if Jones was Patrick Mahommes skill wise I think bringing in Lock would make sense.
They were too strapped on cash to trade for a good QB, if one was even available. This is the level that was available and affordable to the team. Another B level starter. They couldnt afford a Kirk Cousins or Baker Mayfield. I think they know they painted themselves into a corner with this contract. They still might move up in the draft or draft at QB at 6. And if they do, that's the Hail Mary for Dabs to save his job here. That QB needs to come out on fire and show promise to be the future. Then Dabs might stick around
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 14, 2024 20:10:40 GMT -5
D) He was brought in as the back-up QB, I would say to create some competition in camp but Jones will not be ready so Lock gets the snaps with first team nothing wrong with Lock getting familar with the O and players, in fact, really good to have imo.
Lock has improved to some degree so the Giants will see what he's got. Next, maybe DJ will not be ready for the start of the season so Lock is prepared until DJ returns. Lastly, it is one year so the Giants get to see what Lock has to offer and become a legit QB2 for the Giants. I think this is what you want in your back-up QB if I am not mistaken.
Now Lock probably sees it as an opportunity to win the QB1 job which is confidence another trait I would want in my QB.
So many possiblities, it is going to be fun to watch develop.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 14, 2024 20:12:10 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones. Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season? I think it’s smoke in smoke season. This GM also going on radio and disclosing his conversation with Schoen is also ****ed up. I hope Schoen is using this guy as a pawn in a game of chess.
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Post by Merlin on Mar 14, 2024 20:56:35 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof.
The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup.
Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 14, 2024 21:01:58 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. If you were Russ trying to resurrect your career, on a cheap 1 year deal would you choose the Giants or Steelers? That's why he isn't here IMO
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 14, 2024 21:13:56 GMT -5
I think Jones will have to work to be the starter Lock has a strong arm also has his own issues with Mechanics. That said he he can beat DJ Lock has improved while sitting watching and learning. Unless Jones is injured there is almost zero chance Lock beats him out. This is coming from a Lock fan btw. He makes throws Jones doesn't even attempt defenses will actually have to defend the field side out side the numbers. He has a chance, this might force Jones to use his arm and throw caution to the wind if he doesn't he could very well loose his job he has the advantage of knowing the offense. Locks advantage is he has the arm to make every throw isn't afraid to use it if they are fair about it Jones will have a challenge on his hands.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 14, 2024 21:14:03 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. I think Russ probably heard the giants out of due diligence, but he knew the stealers was the better choice. There was no shot the giants were getting russ even if they wanted him
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 14, 2024 21:34:57 GMT -5
He’s a backup and the starter may not be healthy enough to start.
That’s all I see.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 14, 2024 21:44:30 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. They might put on the appearance of a QB competition for a short while, but I expect Jones to start week 1. At the end of Lock's contact, his biggest achievement will have been holding down the OTA's and offseason camps while Jones rehabs. Unless we se a totally different Lock then we've seen before, he'll be closer to QB 3.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 14, 2024 21:50:58 GMT -5
He’s a backup and the starter may not be healthy enough to start. That’s all I see. LOL he better get his arm warmed up and start challenging the field if he wants to start. Daboll is a coach who put his career on DJ and got 0 improvement DJ better start keeping defenses honest by using the whole field or he will be watching in bubble rap from the bench keeping him healthy for his 2025 release.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 14, 2024 21:54:51 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. They might put on the appearance of a QB competition for a short while, but I expect Jones to start week 1. At the end of Lock's contact, his biggest achievement will have been holding down the OTA's and offseason camps while Jones rehabs. Unless we se a totally different Lock then we've seen before, he'll be closer to QB 3. If Daboll likes coaching the Giants it would be best if he does not prescribe to that type of thinking Locks not the answer but he can makes every throw and is not afraid to let it go. Like a certain QB that has been the king of slants screens and hitch's.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 14, 2024 21:55:59 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. If you were Russ trying to resurrect your career, on a cheap 1 year deal would you choose the Giants or Steelers? That's why he isn't here IMO I thought there was talk about his wife wanting to be in NYC.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 14, 2024 21:55:59 GMT -5
He’s a backup and the starter may not be healthy enough to start. That’s all I see. LOL he better get his arm warmed up and start challenging the field if he wants to start. Daboll is a coach who put his career on DJ and got 0 improvement DJ better start keeping defenses honest by using the whole field or he will be watching in bubble rap from the bench keeping him healthy for his 2025 release. i have no idea what Jones is planning nor am I 100% sold this front office knows. We’re at #6 despite having a bottom 2/3 roster. The Giants may trade up a spot for a QB and it wouldn’t shock me if they went WR, gloated over the kid, only to find the OL failed again and the QB can’t read a defense or throw. This team could end up picking #1 in 2025 with no QB worth drafting.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 14, 2024 22:02:44 GMT -5
LOL he better get his arm warmed up and start challenging the field if he wants to start. Daboll is a coach who put his career on DJ and got 0 improvement DJ better start keeping defenses honest by using the whole field or he will be watching in bubble rap from the bench keeping him healthy for his 2025 release. i have no idea what Jones is planning nor am I 100% sold this front office knows. We’re at #6 despite having a bottom 2/3 roster. The Giants may trade up a spot for a QB and it wouldn’t shock me if they went WR, gloated over the kid, only to find the OL failed again and the QB can’t read a defense or throw. This team could end up picking #1 in 2025 with no QB worth drafting. I think if they can get up and get a QB they will they might just take JJ at 6 because he can sit and learn behind Jones or Lock or both. deep WR class they would have get 1 in the second round. Or draft Rattler in 3rd and WR at 6.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 14, 2024 22:08:34 GMT -5
i have no idea what Jones is planning nor am I 100% sold this front office knows. We’re at #6 despite having a bottom 2/3 roster. The Giants may trade up a spot for a QB and it wouldn’t shock me if they went WR, gloated over the kid, only to find the OL failed again and the QB can’t read a defense or throw. This team could end up picking #1 in 2025 with no QB worth drafting. I think if they can get up and get a QB they will they might just take JJ at 6 because he can sit and learn behind Jones or Lock or both. deep WR class they would have get 1 in the second round. Or draft Rattler in 3rd and WR at 6. they’re not going with Rattler. You can’t go with 2 question marks, add a 3rd and start scouting the country for 2025.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 14, 2024 22:42:44 GMT -5
meh
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Post by Aris on Mar 14, 2024 22:56:26 GMT -5
Drew still has the canon arm....if Jones can't do run, his arm talent, or lack of... is going to be quite more pronounced.... and Lock's velocity will really shine.
Jones would have thrown the check down....
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Post by miggs on Mar 14, 2024 23:03:26 GMT -5
I just hope Schoen's problem with Jones is just his health. As that's the only legitimate reason for moving on from Jones. Otherwise he's just like all those here who that that Jones is not a franchise QB and want to see Jones go. If it's not Jones health, I hope he moves on and gets to have the last laugh.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 14, 2024 23:11:32 GMT -5
If you were Russ trying to resurrect your career, on a cheap 1 year deal would you choose the Giants or Steelers? That's why he isn't here IMO I thought there was talk about his wife wanting to be in NYC. Definitely was talk about that but from Pittsburgh it is an easy private jet ride into Teterboro now for what is chump change for them. She is getting closer.😆
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Post by Aris on Mar 14, 2024 23:24:37 GMT -5
LOL he better get his arm warmed up and start challenging the field if he wants to start. Daboll is a coach who put his career on DJ and got 0 improvement DJ better start keeping defenses honest by using the whole field or he will be watching in bubble rap from the bench keeping him healthy for his 2025 release. i have no idea what Jones is planning nor am I 100% sold this front office knows. We’re at #6 despite having a bottom 2/3 roster. The Giants may trade up a spot for a QB and it wouldn’t shock me if they went WR, gloated over the kid, only to find the OL failed again and the QB can’t read a defense or throw. This team could end up picking #1 in 2025 with no QB worth drafting. Just about to get to bed, read this post and now I shall have nightmares...cause it's based on been there and done that true possibilities. If we have nobody to dance with for a QB, or the QB left is Bo Nix at Six, we really need to trade out with anybody.... shore up more LOS .... especially OL.
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