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Post by mendy on Mar 15, 2024 21:47:07 GMT -5
Just more BS to start trouble on the Giants. The click bait is just BS.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 15, 2024 22:00:28 GMT -5
He is not lying. DJ is the starter until he isn't . Good to see some competition for DJ.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 15, 2024 22:23:53 GMT -5
He is not lying. DJ is the starter until he isn't . Good to see some competition for DJ. It would have been depressing if it WAS true. Drew Lock pretty much stinks. He's even worse than Daniel Jones.
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Post by Martin on Mar 15, 2024 23:09:39 GMT -5
He is not lying. DJ is the starter until he isn't . Good to see some competition for DJ. It would have been depressing if it WAS true. Drew Lock pretty much stinks. He's even worse than Daniel Jones. Pat Leonard (NY Daily News) interviewed Phil Simms and Phil was asked about Lock. He commented that he felt Lock last year played very well which he thought was terrible the previous years. He said much more command of the offense and also mentioned he has a very strong arm. Phil thought if he continues his improvement that his was a very good signing for the Giants. He did say he sucked prior to last year where Simms was very impressed with him. I hope Phil is right.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 15, 2024 23:16:43 GMT -5
Fields makes sense only bc we're at 6 and need a qb. He's young still and tons of room for growth if dabes thinks he could get it out of him i'd be all on board. Not sure what they do, but I can't see how they go into this season with DJ and Lock, so i'm prepared for anyone and i'll be on board bc I have faith in daboll All the people saying we should move on from DJ are the exact same people that said we shouldn't give him $40m a year. Daboll and Schoen gave him $40m a year, do you really think they seen anything last year that they didn't see the year before that made them think Jones can't succeed with them? Lock is a young kid with some good arm talent that's loads better than Devito.
There is a very real chance those are our two rostered QBs next year.
It's no longer an issue of what they think DJ can be. He's an injury risk he cannot be relied on. I can't tell you what they're going to do, but if they plan on cutting jones next season (which they most likely will) having him play and risk him getting hurt absoluetly destroys they cap they would have next season. It makes sense to cut him after this season way to much in fact. You really think daboll wants to get fired with Daniel Jones being his only qb.. Sure he again may be the only option, but youd be lying to yourself if you think they're not doing their best to expedite a possible change at QB
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 16, 2024 0:28:04 GMT -5
Yeah that's actually good to hear.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 16, 2024 2:31:09 GMT -5
Yeah the injury clause is truly boneheaded. Whoever the legal folks were that advised on that are dopes. They should have compromised and said no injury guarantee but we will give you more at signing. Try to set up your future years to be clear. You pump 5 beers into JS and he’ll tell you he’d like that negotiation back. Rookie GM, rookie HC, both made and won in the playoffs on their first try with a dogshit roster. They thought they had more than they did. They felt the line would improve and the out in the contract was enough, what they couldn’t do (they thought at the time) is tag Jones an have 15 TDs with next to nothing in INTs turn into 30 TDs and no long term deal in place. Just a hunch, I think DJ and his agent played hardball with that contract negotiation, and I think JS is going to do the same with DJ this year. Not as payback, just as a reality of the deal DJ wanted. If DJ is not amazing after a few games, he won’t see the field again this year. Depending on what they do in the draft he may not see the field at all.
Fans don’t talk about it, but there’s no requirement that he even sees the field. They could just stash him on IR based on how his recovery has progressed and leave him there.
Arizona drafted Josh Rosen and immediately moved up for Kyler right after that. Our fans will think no one has ever made a harsh decision like that so quickly after commuting so much. Lots have. Joe Schoen...the heroic GM, who's not afraid to make the tough decisions! Right? Any chance Schoen can get a 2nd round pick for DJ? The Cardinals traded Rosen, to the Dolphins, for a 2nd round pick...they didn't waste over $100 million, to cut him. Not to mention, Arizona had the first pick in the draft and took the, consensus, best QB in the draft. If Schoen drafts a QB, it will likely be the 4th or 5th QB off the board to replace his 160 Million Dollar Man. They should make a movie...Matt Millen could play Schoen.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 16, 2024 2:41:01 GMT -5
To quote Paul Schwartz:
"The Giants believe Jones will be ready to return in time for training camp and that he should be ready for the start of the season. There is certainly a possibility the Giants take a quarterback high in the upcoming 2024 NFL Draft.
Even if that happens, Jones, if healthy, is expected to be the opening day starter."
It's strange that Joe Schoen has been saying this exact thing since the end of last season but many fans don't want to hear it.
For those fans in particular, did you also believe the Giants wouldn't sign Jones for $40 million a season?
Seems to me that so many people have closed the book on Daniel Jones but the Giants aren't one of them, and they continue to tell us that they expect Jones to be their starter.
I fully expect them to draft a QB because of Jones' history. But barring injury, I don't see him getting benched this season. The idea that TT and Meatloaf were the better QB's is simply ridiculous.
Two questions... 1. Did you just respond to your own post? 2. In your opinion, the ONLY reason Schoen would draft a QB, would be because DJ is now an injury risk (nothing to do with production?)? OK, 3 questions...Supposing DJ plays 17 games, what's your prediction for his passing stats?
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 16, 2024 2:43:19 GMT -5
Fields makes sense only bc we're at 6 and need a qb. He's young still and tons of room for growth if dabes thinks he could get it out of him i'd be all on board. Not sure what they do, but I can't see how they go into this season with DJ and Lock, so i'm prepared for anyone and i'll be on board bc I have faith in daboll All the people saying we should move on from DJ are the exact same people that said we shouldn't give him $40m a year. Daboll and Schoen gave him $40m a year, do you really think they seen anything last year that they didn't see the year before that made them think Jones can't succeed with them? Lock is a young kid with some good arm talent that's loads better than Devito.
There is a very real chance those are our two rostered QBs next year.
Is this a trick question?
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 16, 2024 2:53:45 GMT -5
Yeah that's actually good to hear. Career passing stats... Jones: 208 Y/G, 1.03 TD/G Lock: 189 Y/G, 1 TD/G Giants should've traded for Mac Jones... 212 Y/G, 1.1 TD/G
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Mar 16, 2024 6:24:22 GMT -5
Kylar Murray tore ACL 12/22/22 returned 11/12/23
Daniel Jones tore ACL 11/5/23 same timeline as Murray would return 9/22 or 9/29, which is week 3 or 4
That would give Lock 1st team reps a lot of the offseason and a chance to start the season. Which means if he was playing well he could keep the job.
I think even if we took a QB they’d start him on the bench unless he was just gobbling up information and making it clear daily they are ready.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 16, 2024 6:39:33 GMT -5
Fields makes sense only bc we're at 6 and need a qb. He's young still and tons of room for growth if dabes thinks he could get it out of him i'd be all on board. Not sure what they do, but I can't see how they go into this season with DJ and Lock, so i'm prepared for anyone and i'll be on board bc I have faith in daboll All the people saying we should move on from DJ are the exact same people that said we shouldn't give him $40m a year. Daboll and Schoen gave him $40m a year, do you really think they seen anything last year that they didn't see the year before that made them think Jones can't succeed with them? Lock is a young kid with some good arm talent that's loads better than Devito.
There is a very real chance those are our two rostered QBs next year.
Really good point.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 16, 2024 6:41:14 GMT -5
Kylar Murray tore ACL 12/22/22 returned 11/12/23 Daniel Jones tore ACL 11/5/23 same timeline as Murray would return 9/22 or 9/29, which is week 3 or 4 That would give Lock 1st team reps a lot of the offseason and a chance to start the season. Which means if he was playing well he could keep the job. I think even if we took a QB they’d start him on the bench unless he was just gobbling up information and making it clear daily they are ready. Bang on. There’s such a high percentage that Lock starts at some point in time. He won’t be 22’ TT. He’ll be 23’ TT.
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Post by mendy on Mar 16, 2024 7:17:46 GMT -5
To quote Paul Schwartz:
"The Giants believe Jones will be ready to return in time for training camp and that he should be ready for the start of the season. There is certainly a possibility the Giants take a quarterback high in the upcoming 2024 NFL Draft.
Even if that happens, Jones, if healthy, is expected to be the opening day starter."
It's strange that Joe Schoen has been saying this exact thing since the end of last season but many fans don't want to hear it.
For those fans in particular, did you also believe the Giants wouldn't sign Jones for $40 million a season?
Seems to me that so many people have closed the book on Daniel Jones but the Giants aren't one of them, and they continue to tell us that they expect Jones to be their starter.
I fully expect them to draft a QB because of Jones' history. But barring injury, I don't see him getting benched this season. The idea that TT and Meatloaf were the better QB's is simply ridiculous.
LOL, "Meatloaf"! ...................there goes another keyboard!
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Post by mendy on Mar 16, 2024 7:19:33 GMT -5
Kylar Murray tore ACL 12/22/22 returned 11/12/23 Daniel Jones tore ACL 11/5/23 same timeline as Murray would return 9/22 or 9/29, which is week 3 or 4 That would give Lock 1st team reps a lot of the offseason and a chance to start the season. Which means if he was playing well he could keep the job. I think even if we took a QB they’d start him on the bench unless he was just gobbling up information and making it clear daily they are ready. Bang on. There’s such a high percentage that Lock starts at some point in time. He won’t be 22’ TT. He’ll be 23’ TT. only if the upgrades to the O line don't work.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 16, 2024 7:59:55 GMT -5
He is not lying. DJ is the starter until he isn't . Good to see some competition for DJ. It would have been depressing if it WAS true. Drew Lock pretty much stinks. He's even worse than Daniel Jones. I know that is the sad part about this situation but he is healthier. I think we get the same result. I think they are about even at this point in thier career considering DJ injuries.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 8:00:09 GMT -5
It would have been depressing if it WAS true. Drew Lock pretty much stinks. He's even worse than Daniel Jones. Pat Leonard (NY Daily News) interviewed Phil Simms and Phil was asked about Lock. He commented that he felt Lock last year played very well which he thought was terrible the previous years. He said much more command of the offense and also mentioned he has a very strong arm. Phil thought if he continues his improvement that his was a very good signing for the Giants. He did say he sucked prior to last year where Simms was very impressed with him. I hope Phil is right. Lock was terrible with Denver, and it is true, last year he played pretty well for Seattle. Chances are, he'll get playing time with us this season, as Jones struggles to stay healthy regardless of his play, so we'll most likely see what he can do.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 16, 2024 9:01:35 GMT -5
Pat Leonard (NY Daily News) interviewed Phil Simms and Phil was asked about Lock. He commented that he felt Lock last year played very well which he thought was terrible the previous years. He said much more command of the offense and also mentioned he has a very strong arm. Phil thought if he continues his improvement that his was a very good signing for the Giants. He did say he sucked prior to last year where Simms was very impressed with him. I hope Phil is right. Lock was terrible with Denver, and it is true, last year he played pretty well for Seattle. Chances are, he'll get playing time with us this season, as Jones struggles to stay healthy regardless of his play, so we'll most likely see what he can do. This is the state of the New York Giants.........depressing.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 9:09:47 GMT -5
Lock was terrible with Denver, and it is true, last year he played pretty well for Seattle. Chances are, he'll get playing time with us this season, as Jones struggles to stay healthy regardless of his play, so we'll most likely see what he can do. This is the state of the New York Giants.........depressing. if you drink enough it looks better (not really, but it sounds good, lol)
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 16, 2024 9:22:00 GMT -5
The Simms family including Phil isn't high on JJ McCarthy either...called him a reach...and Chris has JJ as his #5 QB in the draft this year.
Lock put the rumors to rest yesterday. The Giants told him that DJ was the starter before he signed.
But if we are in a similar situation to 2015 when we had Eli and Geno and we are something like 2-9 going into week 11 - I can see Lock will get inserted as starter. In this case the substitution will be successful because fans aren't emotionally attached to Jones like they were with Eli. Lock isn't as good as Geno but keeping Jones as starter throughout an abysmal season doesn't make a lot of sense...like it didn't make sense in 2015.
I don't know how the injury clause works but I understand if Lock gets inserted somewhere in mid-late season that would reduce the risk of having to pay Jones a lot next year.
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Post by Martin on Mar 16, 2024 9:23:39 GMT -5
Pat Leonard (NY Daily News) interviewed Phil Simms and Phil was asked about Lock. He commented that he felt Lock last year played very well which he thought was terrible the previous years. He said much more command of the offense and also mentioned he has a very strong arm. Phil thought if he continues his improvement that his was a very good signing for the Giants. He did say he sucked prior to last year where Simms was very impressed with him. I hope Phil is right. Lock was terrible with Denver, and it is true, last year he played pretty well for Seattle. Chances are, he'll get playing time with us this season, as Jones struggles to stay healthy regardless of his play, so we'll most likely see what he can do. Lots of questions at the QB position. Jones is injury prone and maybe his last year so lots of questions there. Lock is a1yr deal and who knows there. Tommy DeVito is not viable at all. I can't imagine not taking a QB in the 1st round due to all the question marks. Simms felt like Lock's needle was pointing upward. That would be great if that happens along with a rookie QB. I go back to the Oline as the foundation of everything.
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 16, 2024 9:28:11 GMT -5
Wasn't Kyle Trask the QB in place before Baker was signed? Has Trask even started an NFL game? Don't see the similarities. Thinking this situation with this team is like Tampa is pretty funny. It's not like Lock has Baker's resume either.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 16, 2024 9:35:11 GMT -5
Lock was terrible with Denver, and it is true, last year he played pretty well for Seattle. Chances are, he'll get playing time with us this season, as Jones struggles to stay healthy regardless of his play, so we'll most likely see what he can do. Lots of questions at the QB position. Jones is injury prone and maybe his last year so lots of questions there. Lock is a1yr deal and who knows there. Tommy DeVito is not viable at all. I can't imagine not taking a QB in the 1st round due to all the question marks. Simms felt like Lock's needle was pointing upward. That would be great if that happens along with a rookie QB. I go back to the Oline as the foundation of everything.Great post and spot on imo 2012 was the year the OL issues were front and center. The Giants went HB Wilson and WR Randle. Now it’s 2024 and the OL is still a mess. We have no idea if Barkley would have been great or Jones could have been better. What we do know is the team doesn’t win and in a constant state of instability.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 16, 2024 10:41:30 GMT -5
Yeah that's actually good to hear. Career passing stats... Jones: 208 Y/G, 1.03 TD/G Lock: 189 Y/G, 1 TD/G Giants should've traded for Mac Jones... 212 Y/G, 1.1 TD/G And he absolutely will make improvements under Daboll. I'm sure he potentially work his way to a long term back up role..which is a gig he will be competing, long term, with DJ. NFL wide
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Post by Martin on Mar 16, 2024 12:34:30 GMT -5
Lots of questions at the QB position. Jones is injury prone and maybe his last year so lots of questions there. Lock is a1yr deal and who knows there. Tommy DeVito is not viable at all. I can't imagine not taking a QB in the 1st round due to all the question marks. Simms felt like Lock's needle was pointing upward. That would be great if that happens along with a rookie QB. I go back to the Oline as the foundation of everything.Great post and spot on imo 2012 was the year the OL issues were front and center. The Giants went HB Wilson and WR Randle. Now it’s 2024 and the OL is still a mess. We have no idea if Barkley would have been great or Jones could have been better. What we do know is the team doesn’t win and in a constant state of instability.
and its hard to watch the Giants games which is why I watch all the Ranger games so by the time I start watching the Giants I can say I actually watched a competitive team. Hockey has been therapy! Go Giants..... Go Rangers!!!
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 16, 2024 13:00:48 GMT -5
It's strange that Joe Schoen has been saying this exact thing since the end of last season but many fans don't want to hear it.
For those fans in particular, did you also believe the Giants wouldn't sign Jones for $40 million a season?
Seems to me that so many people have closed the book on Daniel Jones but the Giants aren't one of them, and they continue to tell us that they expect Jones to be their starter.
I fully expect them to draft a QB because of Jones' history. But barring injury, I don't see him getting benched this season. The idea that TT and Meatloaf were the better QB's is simply ridiculous.
Two questions... 1. Did you just respond to your own post? 2. In your opinion, the ONLY reason Schoen would draft a QB, would be because DJ is now an injury risk (nothing to do with production?)? OK, 3 questions...Supposing DJ plays 17 games, what's your prediction for his passing stats? I have to believe Jones' contract was indicative that if he continued on the path of 2022, that he'd be our guy for some time. And continuing on that path would mean improved numbers.
The Giants rewarded Jones with good money in exchange for the limited guarantee because they needed to see more from him. Based on what they saw last year, they must now act on that.
I think the only question that remains is what happens if Daniel has a good season? Is it so far fetched to think of him throwing for just under 4,000 yards with another 500 yards rushing, and somewhere around 35 TD's combined?
Of course he's never had those type of numbers but don't you think the Giants were hoping he'd develop into that type of QB and beyond? So let's say everything was to fall the Giants and Daniel Jones' way in 2024. Whomever we draft will then be sitting. And that's not a bad thing. And that's why I see the Giants looking for a QB they feel they can develop behind Jones.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 16, 2024 13:40:51 GMT -5
It's no longer an issue of what they think DJ can be. He's an injury risk he cannot be relied on. I can't tell you what they're going to do, but if they plan on cutting jones next season (which they most likely will) having him play and risk him getting hurt absoluetly destroys they cap they would have next season. It makes sense to cut him after this season way to much in fact. You really think daboll wants to get fired with Daniel Jones being his only qb.. Sure he again may be the only option, but youd be lying to yourself if you think they're not doing their best to expedite a possible change at QB It's 100% about that.
He was an injury risk before they gave him a $40m/year contract too.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 16, 2024 13:48:32 GMT -5
All the people saying we should move on from DJ are the exact same people that said we shouldn't give him $40m a year. Daboll and Schoen gave him $40m a year, do you really think they seen anything last year that they didn't see the year before that made them think Jones can't succeed with them? Lock is a young kid with some good arm talent that's loads better than Devito.
There is a very real chance those are our two rostered QBs next year.
Really good point. Thanks. People tend to look at things through their own eyes (myself included) and not the eyes of those making the decisions. The media feeds this.
For the record Lock came out and shot this story to pieces and said Jones is the starter here and his job is to back him up and push him to be his best. Lock seems like a very good choice (my bias applied since I said months ago I wanted Lock lol).
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Post by inthezone on Mar 16, 2024 14:07:28 GMT -5
Thanks. People tend to look at things through their own eyes (myself included) and not the eyes of those making the decisions. The media feeds this.
For the record Lock came out and shot this story to pieces and said Jones is the starter here and his job is to back him up and push him to be his best. Lock seems like a very good choice (my bias applied since I said months ago I wanted Lock lol).
I think Lock sucks and wanted Fields instead.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 14:45:14 GMT -5
Two questions... 1. Did you just respond to your own post? 2. In your opinion, the ONLY reason Schoen would draft a QB, would be because DJ is now an injury risk (nothing to do with production?)? OK, 3 questions...Supposing DJ plays 17 games, what's your prediction for his passing stats? I have to believe Jones' contract was indicative that if he continued on the path of 2022, that he'd be our guy for some time. And continuing on that path would mean improved numbers.
The Giants rewarded Jones with good money in exchange for the limited guarantee because they needed to see more from him. And what they saw last year they must act on now.
I think the only question that remains is what happens if Daniel has a good season? Is it so far fetched to think of him throwing for just under 4,000 yards with another 500 yards rushing, and somewhere around 35 TD's combined?
Of course he's never had those type of numbers but don't you think the Giants were hoping he'd develop into that type of QB and beyond? So let's say everything was to fall the Giants and Daniel Jones' way in 2024. Whomever we draft will then be sitting. And that's not a bad thing. And that's why I see the Giants looking for a QB they feel they can develop behind Jones.
I think everyone would be thrilled if DJ puts up #'s like that this season, as you say, he hasn't done so yet. I'm not holding my breath for it...
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