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Post by mendy on Mar 18, 2024 14:09:39 GMT -5
Lock came out and said Jones is the starter and said the conversation with the Seahawks GM wasn't about him starting here. That story was debunked already. So now Lock is “the truth”? What is he supposed to say “yeah, they told me I could could be the starter”? Do you realize the shit storm that would cause? Did you also believe Daboll when he said he expected both Kafka and Wink back? Did you believe your boy Gettleman when he said he didn’t sign OBJ just to trade him? Do you believe Eli when he says he thinks DJ is a good QB? Would you believe me if I said I think Miggs isn’t a troll and is very knowledgeable about football? Man I hope you’re not this gullible. Seems you are. You believe the hate ,it fits your agenda. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 18, 2024 15:38:44 GMT -5
So now Lock is “the truth”? What is he supposed to say “yeah, they told me I could could be the starter”? Do you realize the shit storm that would cause? Did you also believe Daboll when he said he expected both Kafka and Wink back? Did you believe your boy Gettleman when he said he didn’t sign OBJ just to trade him? Do you believe Eli when he says he thinks DJ is a good QB? Would you believe me if I said I think Miggs isn’t a troll and is very knowledgeable about football? Man I hope you’re not this gullible.
Welcome to the Giants Mr. Lock. Do us a favor and carry this shit storm on your back until we decide it's okay for you to put it down.
I'm not blaming Jones for the injury but I think he could do a better job protecting himself. |
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Post by vinnie on Mar 18, 2024 15:44:13 GMT -5
So now Lock is “the truth”? What is he supposed to say “yeah, they told me I could could be the starter”? Do you realize the shit storm that would cause? Did you also believe Daboll when he said he expected both Kafka and Wink back? Did you believe your boy Gettleman when he said he didn’t sign OBJ just to trade him? Do you believe Eli when he says he thinks DJ is a good QB? Would you believe me if I said I think Miggs isn’t a troll and is very knowledgeable about football? Man I hope you’re not this gullible. Seems you are. You believe the hate ,it fits your agenda. You’re exhausting “Mendy” aka “Red” aka “Miggs” aka troll. I need to put you on block instead of just one of your aliases, I can only handle so much stupidity and ignorance in a day. |
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Post by inthezone on Mar 18, 2024 15:49:37 GMT -5
Seems you are. You believe the hate ,it fits your agenda. You’re exhausting “Mendy” aka “Red” aka “Miggs” aka troll. I need to put you on block instead of just one of your aliases, I can only handle so much stupidity and ignorance in a day. I didn't realize that Mendy/Red was also Miggs since he at least talks about some football while the Mendy/Red usually doesn't. |
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Post by vinnie on Mar 18, 2024 15:59:08 GMT -5
You’re exhausting “Mendy” aka “Red” aka “Miggs” aka troll. I need to put you on block instead of just one of your aliases, I can only handle so much stupidity and ignorance in a day. I didn't realize that Mendy/Red was also Miggs since he at least talks about some football while the Mendy/Red usually doesn't. There was a highly suspicious and questionable “slip up” a month or so ago about that a few people caught where Mendy/Red answered a question as if he were Miggs, like he forgot to switch accounts. Either way, they’re both dbag trolls and should be ignored unless you like football comedy. If you’re feeling down, get into a debate with one of them, I guarantee a 5 year old peewee football player would walk away feeling like a member of MENSA after that. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 18, 2024 16:35:56 GMT -5
Drew sounds like the kind of guy you want in your locker room.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 18, 2024 17:57:28 GMT -5
Jones’ win/loss record and woeful production is posted.
Mendy/Red: What do expect from Jones? He’s had three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators!!
Giants sign Drew Lock.
Mendy/Red: Drew Lock sucks!!
Lock’s career of having three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators is posted.
Mendy/Red:
Mendy/Red: Yeah but how many playoff wins does he have?!
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Post by Modog on Mar 18, 2024 18:09:46 GMT -5
Jones’ win/loss record and woeful production is posted. Mendy/Red: What do expect from Jones? He’s had three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators!! Giants sign Drew Lock. Mendy/Red: Drew Lock sucks!! Lock’s career of having three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators is posted. Mendy/Red: Mendy/Red: Yeah but how many playoff wins does he have?! Wait till they find out how many OCs and head coaches Baker Mayfield has had to deal with |
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Post by mendy on Mar 19, 2024 7:58:14 GMT -5
Jones’ win/loss record and woeful production is posted. Mendy/Red: What do expect from Jones? He’s had three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators!! Giants sign Drew Lock. Mendy/Red: Drew Lock sucks!! Lock’s career of having three different head coaches and three different offensive coordinators is posted. Mendy/Red: Mendy/Red: Yeah but how many playoff wins does he have?! Wait till they find out how many OCs and head coaches Baker Mayfield has had to deal with Context matters, try it. |
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Post by mendy on Mar 19, 2024 8:13:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the Giants Mr. Lock. Do us a favor and carry this shit storm on your back until we decide it's okay for you to put it down.
I'm not blaming Jones for the injury but I think he could do a better job protecting himself. I agree but I think he was/has. Neck injury was whiplash from a sack ,I'm of the belief he actually hurt the knee a few plays earlier. Thing is we have seen Jones play well, he has carried the team before but he has to play better and be consistent . |
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Post by imgrate on Mar 19, 2024 8:17:05 GMT -5
I didn't realize that Mendy/Red was also Miggs since he at least talks about some football while the Mendy/Red usually doesn't. There was a highly suspicious and questionable “slip up” a month or so ago about that a few people caught where Mendy/Red answered a question as if he were Miggs, like he forgot to switch accounts. Either way, they’re both dbag trolls and should be ignored unless you like football comedy. If you’re feeling down, get into a debate with one of them, I guarantee a 5 year old peewee football player would walk away feeling like a member of MENSA after that. I saw that post. I think what happened was mendy/red quoted a post that he thought was addressed to him. Mendy/red has alot of distinct typos and ways of writing that don’t show in miggs writing. Also, mendy is supportive of all things giants and therefore, inherently DJ. Whereas miggs rails on stupid things like deonte banks and schoen |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 8:31:27 GMT -5
Wait till they find out how many OCs and head coaches Baker Mayfield has had to deal with Context matters, try it. Another nonsensical retort. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 9:55:09 GMT -5
Please guys - the site is much more enjoyable without the derogatory personal comments about one another. Let's keep our disgust and diatribes directed at the Giants where they belong.  |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 10:17:48 GMT -5
I'm not blaming Jones for the injury but I think he could do a better job protecting himself. I agree but I think he was/has. Neck injury was whiplash from a sack ,I'm of the belief he actually hurt the knee a few plays earlier. Thing is we have seen Jones play well, he has carried the team before but he has to play better and be consistent .
Exactly. And with the 4 Oline signings and the eminent move of Neal to Guard, the Giants appear to have reset their line with 3 "new" players.
I fully expect the Giants to field a respectable offense this season.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 19, 2024 10:26:40 GMT -5
I agree but I think he was/has. Neck injury was whiplash from a sack ,I'm of the belief he actually hurt the knee a few plays earlier. Thing is we have seen Jones play well, he has carried the team before but he has to play better and be consistent .
Exactly. And with the 4 Oline signings and the eminent move of Neal to Guard, the Giants appear to have reset their line with 3 "new" players.
I fully expect the Giants to field a respectable offense this season.
and a few more weapons on O despite losing Barkley. We should have a more well rounded and hopefully available O, health dependent. So the exuses for him should be at minimum but then again we've been saying that for a few years now as to well he has more now so he should be able to do it lol.... In '22 he really didn't have many weapons but it was good to see the ball spread around and we were able to bring out the best in guys. So if he did it then and he's that guy, he should be able to get it done in '24 for his own sake........... |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 19, 2024 10:42:00 GMT -5
Welcome to the Giants Mr. Lock. Do us a favor and carry this shit storm on your back until we decide it's okay for you to put it down.
I'm not blaming Jones for the injury but I think he could do a better job protecting himself. He's athletic, but he's a big lanky dude. He's not quick, he doesn't shift around particularly well in the pocket and doesn't sense pressure well. Doesn't escape contact and goes down easy once you get a hand on him. I bet most pass rushers like facing him for their stats. These things aren't good for maintaining overall health. The bottom line is you have a protect a QB like that. You can't let him exist under that pressure. We can talk about his pocket presence, but the team has clearly failed him with the OL and other parts of the offense. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 11:04:20 GMT -5
Exactly. And with the 4 Oline signings and the eminent move of Neal to Guard, the Giants appear to have reset their line with 3 "new" players.
I fully expect the Giants to field a respectable offense this season.
and a few more weapons on O despite losing Barkley. We should have a more well rounded and hopefully available O, health dependent. So the exuses for him should be at minimum but then again we've been saying that for a few years now as to well he has more now so he should be able to do it lol.... In '22 he really didn't have many weapons but it was good to see the ball spread around and we were able to bring out the best in guys. So if he did it then and he's that guy, he should be able to get it done in '24 for his own sake...........
As talented as Barkley was, he wasn't a "move-the-sticks" type runner which in our case would have helped a lot.
I'm not familiar with Singletary, but this could be addition by subtraction if you know what I mean.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 11:06:57 GMT -5
I'm not blaming Jones for the injury but I think he could do a better job protecting himself. He's athletic, but he's a big lanky dude. He's not quick, he doesn't shift around particularly well in the pocket and doesn't sense pressure well. Doesn't escape contact and goes down easy once you get a hand on him. I bet most pass rushers like facing him for their stats. These things aren't good for maintaining overall health. The bottom line is you have a protect a QB like that. You can't let him exist under that pressure. We can talk about his pocket presence, but the team has clearly failed him with the OL and other parts of the offense. Nice post.
I could be wrong, but I think his draft report said that he had a good sense of pressure which we've not seen. I would say he ignores pressure.
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Post by te88 on Mar 19, 2024 11:19:28 GMT -5
He's athletic, but he's a big lanky dude. He's not quick, he doesn't shift around particularly well in the pocket and doesn't sense pressure well. Doesn't escape contact and goes down easy once you get a hand on him. I bet most pass rushers like facing him for their stats. These things aren't good for maintaining overall health. The bottom line is you have a protect a QB like that. You can't let him exist under that pressure. We can talk about his pocket presence, but the team has clearly failed him with the OL and other parts of the offense. Nice post.
I could be wrong, but I think his draft report said that he had a good sense of pressure which we've not seen. I would say he ignores pressure.
Yes. He moves well in a straight line but hasn’t shown he can move laterally in the pocket to avoid pressure or buy time. He holds the ball too long, doesn’t know where he is going to go with it and then runs for open field when he can’t process the decision he needs to make. He’s very tough but takes too many hits and has no sense or feel for pass rush. Sometimes a step or two to the right or left is all it takes to get the space/time needed. |
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Post by vinnie on Mar 19, 2024 11:59:32 GMT -5
Please guys - the site is much more enjoyable without the derogatory personal comments about one another. Let's keep our disgust and diatribes directed at the Giants where they belong. Ugh…I know, I’ll do my and best and will improve Rosey. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 12:28:32 GMT -5
Nice post.
I could be wrong, but I think his draft report said that he had a good sense of pressure which we've not seen. I would say he ignores pressure.
Yes. He moves well in a straight line but hasn’t shown he can move laterally in the pocket to avoid pressure or buy time. He holds the ball too long, doesn’t know where he is going to go with it and then runs for open field when he can’t process the decision he needs to make. He’s very tough but takes too many hits and has no sense or feel for pass rush. Sometimes a step or two to the right or left is all it takes to get the space/time needed.
That's a great point as we saw Eli do that very well. He moved in the manner you've described which freed him up to deliver the ball downfield.
I though we were seeing signs of this with Daniel in 2022...
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 19, 2024 14:11:01 GMT -5
and a few more weapons on O despite losing Barkley. We should have a more well rounded and hopefully available O, health dependent. So the exuses for him should be at minimum but then again we've been saying that for a few years now as to well he has more now so he should be able to do it lol.... In '22 he really didn't have many weapons but it was good to see the ball spread around and we were able to bring out the best in guys. So if he did it then and he's that guy, he should be able to get it done in '24 for his own sake...........
As talented as Barkley was, he wasn't a "move-the-sticks" type runner which in our case would have helped a lot.
I'm not familiar with Singletary, but this could be addition by subtraction if you know what I mean.
I agree and the day of the trade Riddick talked about how it could actually be a better fit for us than what SB was given the state of our O line and how DS is more of a " Will get those tough yards " and is what we need given our line situation. So yeah I'm looking forward to having that in the runing game to keep the chains moving and especially in 2nd and 3rd and 1's and even 4th, where we can turn around and hand it off and actually make it more often than not..... |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 19, 2024 14:18:21 GMT -5
I'm not blaming Jones for the injury but I think he could do a better job protecting himself. He's athletic, but he's a big lanky dude. He's not quick, he doesn't shift around particularly well in the pocket and doesn't sense pressure well. Doesn't escape contact and goes down easy once you get a hand on him. I bet most pass rushers like facing him for their stats. These things aren't good for maintaining overall health. The bottom line is you have a protect a QB like that. You can't let him exist under that pressure. We can talk about his pocket presence, but the team has clearly failed him with the OL and other parts of the offense. I agree and as much as remember the talk about the Giants brass desperately wanted to find another Eli? Well they did and remember the skittish talk about Eli, and I'm not bashing Eli at all he was one tough SOB and I won't even compare Jones to Eli overall, but Jones rather it's from the protection he's had or lack thereof for his career thus far or just it's what he is, he is a little skittish. He doesn't seem to have that smooth confidence and that ice running through his veins, that supreme confidence in himself or even his, the things he's decent at. For instance that 80 yd run vs Philly. You would've never seen Lamar Jackson or Vick, Hurts, or heck I doubt JJ Macarthy would trip over his own feet lol. When I saw that I was like he is doing Eli type of special things where out of nowhere the ball is fumbled or something lol. But yeah all in all he is what he is. '24 is a big big year for Jones no doubt........ |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 19, 2024 14:21:46 GMT -5
Yes. He moves well in a straight line but hasn’t shown he can move laterally in the pocket to avoid pressure or buy time. He holds the ball too long, doesn’t know where he is going to go with it and then runs for open field when he can’t process the decision he needs to make. He’s very tough but takes too many hits and has no sense or feel for pass rush. Sometimes a step or two to the right or left is all it takes to get the space/time needed.
That's a great point as we saw Eli do that very well. He moved in the manner you've described which freed him up to deliver the ball downfield.
I though we were seeing signs of this with Daniel in 2022...
hopefully we can see that this year..... |
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Post by mendy on Mar 19, 2024 17:25:03 GMT -5
He's athletic, but he's a big lanky dude. He's not quick, he doesn't shift around particularly well in the pocket and doesn't sense pressure well. Doesn't escape contact and goes down easy once you get a hand on him. I bet most pass rushers like facing him for their stats. These things aren't good for maintaining overall health. The bottom line is you have a protect a QB like that. You can't let him exist under that pressure. We can talk about his pocket presence, but the team has clearly failed him with the OL and other parts of the offense. Nice post.
I could be wrong, but I think his draft report said that he had a good sense of pressure which we've not seen. I would say he ignores pressure.
Honestly I think he feels the pressure and he makes a call to run pretty quick. TT and TD can't run as well as Jones so they stay in longer and look for other outlets. Again OMO but I think after the beating he took he was giving up the pass too fast, he had what they call happy feet and in turn made the wrong calls. Again I point out 17 sacks in 7 days. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 19:50:57 GMT -5
Nice post.
I could be wrong, but I think his draft report said that he had a good sense of pressure which we've not seen. I would say he ignores pressure.
Honestly I think he feels the pressure and he makes a call to run pretty quick. TT and TD can't run as well as Jones so they stay in longer and look for other outlets. Again OMO but I think after the beating he took he was giving up the pass too fast, he had what they call happy feet and in turn made the wrong calls. Again I point out 17 sacks in 7 days. The thing he does the very worst....I mean his biggest flaw...is failure to feel the rush. How you could suggest, given all the blind hits he takes, and his failure to have any idea where the rush is coming from...reeks with agenda. Because it is so clearly untrue. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 20, 2024 9:28:14 GMT -5
Honestly I think he feels the pressure and he makes a call to run pretty quick. TT and TD can't run as well as Jones so they stay in longer and look for other outlets. Again OMO but I think after the beating he took he was giving up the pass too fast, he had what they call happy feet and in turn made the wrong calls. Again I point out 17 sacks in 7 days. The thing he does the very worst....I mean his biggest flaw...is failure to feel the rush. How you could suggest, given all the blind hits he takes, and his failure to have any idea where the rush is coming from...reeks with agenda. Because it is so clearly untrue. He has very poor pocket awareness. A fundamental for NFL QBs. Just look at Taylor vs Jones last year. Taylor’s pocket awareness was vastly superior. |
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